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Re: Blue, Red or Orangy-Pink

Postby Steve Sanderson » Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:47 pm

PMC wrote:
Steve Sanderson wrote:
PMC wrote:....It is time for a change of government policy, and it happens on Monday.


With a Conservative majority??
;-)


If you watch the tv news, it says otherwise. :headbang:


Whatever happens....I only hope that "ALL" eligible voters get out and exercise their right!
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Re: Blue, Red or Orangy-Pink

Postby Dan Sys » Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:36 pm

You're absolutely right Steve. I have a feeling the turnout in this election will be a helluva lot higher than that of recent previous elections. People seem a lot more interested.
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Re: Blue, Red or Orangy-Pink

Postby pave » Sun May 01, 2011 6:18 am

There was a time when I would have agreed: everyone who has the mandate had better be using it!

Now, I'm not so sure as so many people haven't got a rat's-ass clue about the parties, the policies, the people, the consequences or a sober approach to the issues of a given election.

When "a change is as good as a rest" is accepted as Wisdom, "Harper is a lap-dog to the Bush Family" goes unchallenged, or "He's a guy I could have a beer with" is enough to motivate a vote for unknown policies, I would rather those folks forget the opportunity altogether.
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Re: Blue, Red or Orangy-Pink

Postby Dan Sys » Sun May 01, 2011 6:56 am

You have got to be kidding Pave. If your posting above represents the mentality of your average Conservative supporter I'm afraid the "disaster about to unfold" is going to be a lot deeper than anyone had imagined.
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Re: Blue, Red or Orangy-Pink

Postby pave » Sun May 01, 2011 7:31 am

If I was kidding, Dan, I would have stuck one of these: :tail in here.

Ignatieff's Liberal campaign has been one of cynicism and manipulation - causing me to ask: "What do these clowns take me for?"
Jack is the Socialist leader of a flock who have no understanding of the financial consequences of their desire to be hand-fed, free-schooled and, generally - the recipients of Free Stuff... at no cost.

If the numbers on the margins of victory weren't so critical, this could be an interesting conversation.

However, now... it's time to get serious.
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Re: Blue, Red or Orangy-Pink

Postby Dan Sys » Sun May 01, 2011 7:34 am

In classic fashion, Pave makes my point for me.
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Postby pave » Sun May 01, 2011 7:42 am

In classic fashion, Pave makes my point for me.


That's plagiarism. You owe me. SOCAN (or somebody) will be informed.
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Re: Blue, Red or Orangy-Pink

Postby Jack Bennest » Sun May 01, 2011 8:03 am

It is difficult not to be partisan. A few facts.

Ideas like consumption taxes - GST and HST are right winged ideas hurting those who have the least to spend

Ideas like CPP and Medicare are left winged ideas that bring some level of equality amoungst us

In the end - I like the collective idea of what the population does at the election box. I can wait. I can hope for
a government by the people and for the people.

The best compromise is a free enterprise government with a social agenda. The reason Harper or Layton will not be given
government on a silver platter is that no one wants a majority "we know it all" government.

Prediction:
Conservatives 140
NDP 70
Liberals 60
Bloc 35
Ind 3
Total 308
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Re: Blue, Red or Orangy-Pink

Postby jon » Sun May 01, 2011 8:20 am

Jack Bennest wrote:Prediction:
Conservatives 140
NDP 70
Liberals 60
Bloc 35
Ind 3
Total 308

But what would that mean? To me, that is the real question.

From what I'm reading, "everybody" seems to be saying that that (those numbers) would give us a Conservative minority government that would last until the first vote. At which time, the Governor General would ask the NDP to (try to) form a government. Which they would do, and would survive for some period of time, measured in months or years, with the Liberals and Bloc voting with them so long as the NDP didn't propose anything disagreeable.

Does anyone have a different prediction on what would actually happen?
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Re: Blue, Red or Orangy-Pink

Postby pave » Sun May 01, 2011 8:23 am

Ideas like consumption taxes - GST and HST are right winged ideas hurting those who have the least to spend


And the cure for that is to increase taxes and spread it around the bottom?

Ideas like CPP and Medicare are left winged ideas that bring some level of equality amoungst us


Fully agree. But allow for the more wealthy to pay for any medical care they desire - thus, lifting more of the burden off the taxpayer.

no one wants a majority "we know it all" government.


That statement seems close to being representative of a subjective process called: "mind-reading" and requires at least some evidence to support the proposition. I don't recall the Prime Minister saying "We know it all!"

That's something, however, that I would say. :)
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Re: Blue, Red or Orangy-Pink

Postby PMC » Sun May 01, 2011 8:33 am

As the expression goes, whatever happens on Monday, `the people will get the government they deserve'

Everybody should vote, and hopefully not often, as the cost is high... in a CBC piece it was pointed out that Elections Canada is paying $20 to $30 an hour to have two hundred thousand people work in this election. It all adds up to big dollars to run the circus. ;-)
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Re: Blue, Red or Orangy-Pink

Postby jon » Sun May 01, 2011 8:45 am

PMC wrote:Everybody should vote, and hopefully not often, as the cost is high... in a CBC piece it was pointed out that Elections Canada is paying $20 to $30 an hour to have two hundred thousand people work in this election. It all adds up to big dollars to run the circus. ;-)

Ah, but that is not the "real money". For each vote a Party receives, they get $2/year from your federal tax money. Nothing to do with whether you voted for the person who wins the seat in your riding.

Plus, there are limitations that eliminate the smallest parties. And presumably Independents.
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Re: Blue, Red or Orangy-Pink

Postby Dan Sys » Sun May 01, 2011 8:55 am

Jack Bennest wrote:
Prediction:
Conservatives 140
NDP 70
Liberals 60
Bloc 35
Ind 3
Total 308


Who are the 3 independents Jack? As far as I can see the only one that stands a chance is the Independent Conservative in Portneuf-Jacques Cartier where there is no actual Conservative candidate running.

Also, if you believe the latest polls from Quebec I would give the NDP a few more seats in that province at the expense of the Bloc.
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Re: Blue, Red or Orangy-Pink

Postby pave » Sun May 01, 2011 9:45 am

Don't know what it is with so many in Quebec. Didn't know when I worked Montreal (Bill 101) and still don't know.

Seems like much (maybe most) of the population want to take from everybody and give little or nothing back - a prime feeding ground for Bloc and/or NDP- lures and promises. These include a bi-lingual requirement for all Supreme Court Judges and all federal workers right across the country. This is not a bi-lingual country. Quebec is a Uni-Lingual province. Big distinction.

Even here in the toxic, Liberal sump of Toronto, they wouldn't dare cross that moat or even acknowledge it's existence. ("That stink comes from Alberta. Yeah, that's it.")

Meanwhile, this means the RCMP officer who busts me for going just a tad over on the Trans-Canada must be bi-lingual just in case I might have a Montreal Canadiens tattoo on my forehead and a pack of Du Mauriers in my pocket. :)
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Re: Blue, Red or Orangy-Pink

Postby hagopian » Sun May 01, 2011 12:39 pm

Say goodbye to Stephen Harper.

His gaff on letting SUN media run a bogus story on Jack Layton was rather disturbing. (*google it - you'll fall over)

Jack Layton led coalition.

Yankees will freak.

The Economy, that is on a knife's edge will tank, under new taxes and higher rates.

Oh, this is just swell.

Iggy is a joke, a Harper, is well, Harper. About as sincere as a case of shingles.

Gosh, what a mess.
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