Fall Ratings Okanagan

[paul hesketh]

Would appreciate a look at the Fall BBM's for the Okanagan if anybody has them.

Only whisper about ratings I have seen is a full page ad in the local newspaper by SUN FM stating it was number 1.
It gave away more free prizes...passes and other goodies..More than any other station in the market.

Hey, this is Kelowna, a city that carries hyperbole to the extreme!.; often describing itself as Palm Springs North; a downtown just like Granville Island; The Okanagan Vineyard.

[Heard It On The X]

Hey, this is Kelowna, a city that carries hyperbole to the extreme!.; often describing itself as Palm Springs North; a downtown just like Granville Island; The Okanagan Vineyard.

Ha, but if you don't sell yourself, who will?
Vancouver has long touted itself as a world-class city, long before it could even dream to lay such a claim.

[Jack Bennest]

Paul - send money to your buddy - lol


Adults 18-49 share of hours tuned

Sun - 36.2 up 13% on the year
Power - 35.2 up 1% on the year
Silk - 22.8 down 3% on the year
OV - 4.2 down 21% on the year
CKFR - 1.7 down 60% on the year


I have the details of other categories but its hard to translate into this
board


I noticed that the older the category - cilk is higher and sun/power about the same
in the kid market

with standard owning cilk, sun and FR they obviously own Kelowna but Pattison still has
almost 40 percent of the market


if anyone else wants a smaller market rating report - I can steal it.

[radiofan]

Kelowna 12+ Market Share Fall 06

CHSU 19.9
CKLZ 19.0
CILK 17.3
CKOV 13.8
CKFR 4.5

The missing 25.5% would belong to the CBC and "others".

[paul hesketh]

SEND MONEY TO MY BUDDY? Hey didn't know I had any buddies!
Holy crap. I don't have any money either. Worked in radio too long!!

If the ratings stack up as shown, no wonder OV's Bruce Davis is throwing his phone.

Rick Arnish, in Kamloops and head of Pattison radio, must also be getting excited.

Don't understand. CKOV used to be a powerhouse. Even with a new ND, it is still pathetic. The only veteran ,Kim Calloway, spends his time with puff pieces; most news stories are media releases. Heaven forbid if the police stopped staging p.r. campaigns on the latest pot bust; the Reginal district and the Crimstoppers bulletin on the guy in the red hoodie that has stolen a bicycle or breached probation.Poor 'OV would not know what to do for news stories.
Now, in fairness, the media in Kelowna has had for many years operated in a miasma, being careful not to offend anyone, particularly a potential advertiser.

Could be a morale problem. Jasmine Doobay sounds tired, bored and disinterested.
Yet, when she does the weather on CHBC t.v. she at least sounds interested.
The money probably doesn't help.
J.D. is also doing remotes, in addidtion to her n.d. duties.

Someone mentioned Don Hucaluk returning to OV from SILK.
Worked with Huck at 'OV and found him to be rather a cool guy.

Gerry Gardner was S.M. at 'OV and was prone to bouts of intense excitement.

[Jack Bennest]

Now Paul lets not pick on JD as she is a regular on the board.

I think the numbers indicate that Kelowna is growing out of the old people's image
with the majority of the numbers listening to rock and the remainder elevator
music on SILK

OV which is more to my taste is not doing anything original and is not spending
any serious money on a talk host or anything innovative in news/talk.

Both the old oldies stations and OV are set to go the way of LG traffic.

I am not the best expert on the Kelowna scene but Paul you carry to much baggage
to be objective - and yes I am your buddy - now send some money for my subscription
to the ratings site.

and thanks rf for getting the preferred numbers

and I agree with rf that many people listen to CBC .............because it offers something
"clear" in a commercial market like the Okanagan.

[Jasmin Doobay]

Morning all...thought I'd throw in my 2 cents...

Paul...there's no "e" on my first name.

And you bet I'm tired (not bored or disinterested). I get up at 3:30am and I have a 4 year old. It's a daunting combo at times...especially during cold and flu season.

As for reporting on more than news releases and cop shop pot busts...the days of large staff are long gone. We've only got 5 full time staff. That's one for CKOV mornings, one for CKOV/Power mornings and one for afternoon drive covering both stations (the toughest shift with 19 newscasts and all the sports prep).

We have one full time reporter and one 1/2 time (the other 1/2 is weekend news).

Plus right now I have one guy gone on extended medical leave...so we're actually down to just 4 people.

Gone are the days of 9 to 13 in the newsroom with separate sports guys.

We'd love to have the time to be investigative reporters...it's just not possible.

We'd love to be a news powerhouse...we don't have the staff.

I've said it before...we do what we can and I'm proud of what we manage.

[Jack Bennest]

15. Kelowna, British Columbia
Application No. 2006-1105-5
Application by Jim Pattison Broadcast Group Limited Partnership to convert radio station CKOV Kelowna from the AM band to the FM band.
The new station would operate on frequency 103.1 MHz (channel 276B) with an average effective radiated power of 11,000 watts (maximum effective radiated power of 35,000 watts/antenna height of 114.3 metres).
The applicant proposes a Soft Vocals music format complemented by a continuation of CKOV?s traditional style of news and information programming.
The applicant is requesting permission to simulcast the programming of the new FM station on CKOV for a period of 3 months from the date of implementation of the new station.
The applicant is also requesting, pursuant to sections 9(1)(e) and 24(1) of the Broadcasting Act, the revocation of the licence of CKOV effective at the end of the simulcast period.
The Commission may withdraw this application from the public hearing if it is not advised by the Department of Industry, at least twenty days prior to the hearing, that the application is technically acceptable.
This application requires the issuance of a new licence.
Applicant's address:

460 Pemberton Terrace
Kamloops, British Columbia
V2C 1T5
Fax: 250-762-2141
E-Mail: bdavis@ckov63.com

[cart_machine]

Could be a morale problem. Jasmine Doobay sounds tired, bored and disinterested.
Yet, when she does the weather on CHBC t.v. she at least sounds interested.
The money probably doesn't help.
J.D. is also doing remotes, in addidtion to her n.d. duties.

Hang on.

She's the news director.. and doing TV weather?

And commercial cut-ins?

Why?

I did mornings up there many moons ago (in the old building downtown) and getting up at 3 a.m. was enough of grind. I can't possibly imagine why anyone would want to add to that.

Paul, it doesn't sound like news has changed a lot up there. Back then, 'OV and 'IQ were both doing the same basic stuff - cops, courts, council, labour - the kind of stuff you'd hear on an NW newscast, even today. We had one reporter then, too.

cArtie.

[raverocks]

Why?

Opportunity, dollars, exposure, experience. But mostly dollars.

[Mike Cleaver]

None of the Okanagan stations has EVER paid very well.
Even as far back as '61, you were supposed to be able to survive on the "grass and the sunshine."
I started at 'OV for 50 cents an hour, which increased to a dollar an hour by the time I got on the air.
When I left in '67 as Chief Announcer, I was making the princely sum of $325 a month.
I also know all of the stations there still don't pay much and expect a lot of work for the dollars the "talent" does get.
Kelowna now is BC's second largest market but the pay, except for top management and sales, is similar to working in Swift Current.
And I again state my case: Newspeople should not be doing commercials.
The RTNDA Code of Ethics is quite adamant on that point.
Sorry Jasmin, I know you probably need the cash to survive in what's become one of BC's most expensive cities in which to live but shilling doesn't cut it for a newsperson.
People also will wonder if sales is influencing news content as it has in the past in many stations across the country.
Better be seen to be conflict free than have your or your station's credibility questioned.

[cart_machine]

None of the Okanagan stations has EVER paid very well.
Even as far back as '61, you were supposed to be able to survive on the "grass and the sunshine."

I can think of one guy who worked at CHIM who survived on grass pretty easily.

cArtie.

[Jack Bennest]

Mike - why is Kelowna considered the 2nd market and not Victoria?

Even tho I believe in the RTNDA standards I believe we have to drop that now
as radio is no longer about ethics or standards - its all about profit and the investment of shareholders. Why should employees have standards when they are not paid well.

I have no respect for any radio station any more - I doubt one could get an award
for community service by the standards of the 60's and 70's

Guys - radio has changed - the audience has changed. It is just not the same.

Sad story.

[raverocks]

The only time local radio will be important to us is during a crisis or emergency. Otherwise, it has outlived its usefulness. If all the transmitters of all the stations in Canada were turned off tomorrow, I for one would not miss them. And there are a lot of other people out here who listen to the radio about as often as they go to church.

[paul hesketh]

A final note on OV.......

No one is picking on Jasmin. Like Red Robinson I calls it as I see it.
Let us stop this pervasive political correctness where every critical comment is interpreted as a personal attack on someone.

Many create a nexus between logical comments and personal attacks.
They are not the same.
As for Jasmin, we have never met.I am quite sure she is a very nice person

Interesting, I have read some rather nasty comments on this site, attacks on individuals, and not one objection from the thought police

J. comments she is tired.Well, that is what I said. She sounds tired.
]Believe I also commented that the staff appear to be suffering from a morale problem
I sympathize, having worked the same shift myself.It ain't no treat!
But that said, the listener (and the employer) doesn't give a damm.

I have also submitted in previous posts, the "old days" are over.
Now news departments of 4 or 5 are tring to do the work of 10 or 12.
To repeat, the owners pay crap for money.
Why else to do N.D.s have to do remotes, work radio and t.v. gigs;
FM morning announcers also work talk shows on AM?
So the owners can make more money.

I am objective. I do know good (and bad) broadcasting when I hear or see it)
Red Robinson has voiced his comments that schools like BCIT continue to churn out broadcast hopefuls, taking their money, with the suggestion they can "hit the big time....maybe"
I agree with his sentiments exactly.
If that is not being objective, so be it!

Someone posted an application by Pattison for changes to OV and POWER.
Perhaps they have already started.
There was on air chat today about no talk show next week due to renovations.

No, I still don't have any money! and...others misspell my name all the time.
But then ,I don't give a hoot!

"The first step toward truth, is calling things by their right name"-Chinese proverb.